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Rohan 15 by chirinstock Rohan 15 by chirinstock
Rohan Warrior Girl
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:iconappossai:
Hi. I used your stock here [link]
Thanks for your beautiful photograph ^^
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CartwAalbiel Mar 21, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
Wow. This deserves to be in the Photography category.
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Lady-Of-The-Pen May 19, 2008   General Artist
Very nice picture, I truly love the sword, I'd like to add it to my collection ;) Though you are right in that pose it is a good way to cut your neck, laying it blade flat would probably be more practical.

To add to the earlier discussion about brawny warrior. I would say it is true they are often described as muscular, but I seem to remember reading a lot of description of having the slim built of a swordsman or something. Anyway just thought I'd throw that out there. I've really enjoyed your pictures though ^_^
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:iconmanfredkooistra:
Nice images in this series, but certainly not a warrior: How could anyone fight in that dress? And this girl doesn't have the muscle to swing that sword for a few hours each day.

The images look kinda like "gentlewoman tries to defend herself but fails".
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chirinstock Apr 30, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
*shrug* The shoot is based on Lord of the Rings and I'd say chiaki probably has more muscle mass than Miranda Otto who played Eowyn, who was portrayed riding into battle and all that. So I guess, in the real world, of course your critiques are correct, but it seems a bit illogical to critique an emulation which fits in quite accurately to the universe it portrays.

And also, I'd be a bit depressed really, because based on that reasoning we'd have about 5 people in the world to choose from for action/fantasy movies, given that I really doubt more than about .5% of actors are capable of swinging a real sword in battle for a few hours a day :p

Though, I should have put sheildmaiden instead of warrior, but I was having a mind blank.

- Ona
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:iconmanfredkooistra:
Yes, you are right, your images fit perfectly how female warriors are commonly portrayed in fantasy movies and fantasy art. But that is exactly was irks me: Would you photograph a crocodile and say it is the best model for a dragon you could find? No! An artist visualizing a dragon has to mold it from his or her imagination. Then why not take the same care in depicting types of humans that do not exist? Although, of course, female warriors do exist. There are many female warriors in the armies of the world, and they have to carry and work with the same heavy gear as their male fellows. Also, there are working women who do heavy bodily work. Why not find one of them and use her as a model? The person who chooses to become a bricklayer, mine worker or warrior, male or female, must have the physique (and psyche) to survive that job.

And even if you don't care about the probability of your female warrior: she may fit the movie, but like the movie she does not fit the book. If you READ fantasy, you will soon realize that the female warriors there are not described as looking like gentlewomen either. That Hollywood tends to use wellknown actresses does not mean that their appearances are the norm that all fantasy artists should aspire to.

Don't get me wrong: I like what you are doing. I was coming back to your gallery several times over the last days, because those images touched upon something in my own imagination. I like the facial expressions, the body language, the acting. I even like the dress, the hair, the sword - just not together. So, I'm just a bit sad and disappointed that almost all fantasy art that I find does not care for "realism", because I cannot completely enter a world that is improbable or contradictory.

With a lighter sword or dagger and different clothes, your model would look an able assassin or ranger. The "woad" series fits her well, its just this heavy sword versus her slim figure, plus the impractical dress. And her face seems too intelligent, her hands too "artistic", for a brutish melee fighter.

Also, she would cut her neck, the way she holds her sword in this image :-)
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chirinstock Apr 30, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
"Also, she would cut her neck, the way she holds her sword in this image "

*grins* this is exactly what Ona said when I was holding it!

I think the issue with imagination is that we all have it and we all use it differently. When I read a book, I'm sure my image of the hero will be different to most other people. I can safely say we both read a lot of fantasy - but I can't say I ever imagine my heroes being particularly big or brawny.

In terms of photographing a bricklayer or an actual female 'warrior', I'm not sure if this is directed at our work or fantasy work in general - for us personally, it is because we work together - that is our project. We make our costumes as accurate to whatever we have chosen to follow as possible, dress up in them and then take photos of ourselves in these costumes because that is what we really enjoy doing - I guess we're not really aiming to provide realistic photographic portraits. As for why other people don't do it? Well, perhaps that also comes down to imagination and personal interpretation. Maybe more people who like heroes to be brawny should take pictures?

For myself, I have always found slender, wiry men (and women) to fit well with my impression of the ideal warrior - this probably comes from my contact with Greek History and Mythology. Perhaps why I like the idea of the perfect warrior being a healer and a leader as well.

In terms of the dress with the sword and the inability to swing it for hours. I'm not sure that she would be called upon to swing it for hours - there is nothing really to necessitate that. Perhaps she has picked up her father's sword? I guess I like letting my mind play with it.

~chiaki
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:iconmanfredkooistra:
:-)

I don't completely agree, but I understand they joy you get from putting yourselves into your imaginary worlds, so I don't really feel like I want to continue picking at it. I'd rather want to join the fun :-)
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chirinstock Apr 30, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
It's all good - thanks for the discussion, anyway - we'll just have to agree to disagree ;)

have fun!

~chiaki
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WECL Apr 29, 2008   Photographer
Nice sword. It looks very cool in this shot, for some reason (though, it doesn't look bad in the other shots).
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